The free will scholars themselves
have had to re-adjust their theory
in the light of obvious scientific
and Scriptural proof against free will
They assure us
that although man does not possess total free will,
he does, nonetheless, possess "limited free will"
That is, man’s will is limited, but within those limits,
the will is completely and totally free
Oh really?
I never cease to be amazed
at the fact that contradictions
never interfere with Christian doctrine
Believing in contradictions is absolutely necessary
if one is to accept most Christian doctrines,
and this "limited free will" is just another one of them
Let’s take a quick look
at this idiotic proposal of "limited free will"
Here is how my Twentieth Century Webster’s Dictionary
defines "limited, a. restricted" (Page 963)
And here is how this same dictionary defines
"free, a. without restriction" (Page 682)
Got it?
"Limited" means: RESTRICTED,
and "free" means: WITHOUT RESTRICTION
So scholarly theologians
would have us believe that man possesses a will
that is, "RESTRICTED WITHOUT RESTRICTION"
What?
Does anyone see a problem
with this limited free will theory?
Does the word "..contradiction" come to mind?
Jesus KNEW BEFORE HE CREATED THE WORLD
that "...mankind was going to turn away from God,"
even though according to most Christians
He gave EVERY ONE OF THOSE HUMANS
a "free-moral-agency-will" by which
NOT ONE OF THEM HAD TO, OR WERE CAUSED TO,
"turn away from God"
If they truly had a "free will,"
that is a will to make choices that are
NOT CAUSED or INFLUENCED
in any way by God Himself through the billions
of circumstances throughout one's life
(See Phil 2:3, Eph 1:11, and hundred more just like them),
why did they ..ALL.. choose to "turn away from GOD?"
That is a very very very negative thing!!
That FIFTY BILLION out of FIFTY BILLION "free wills"
('FREE' wills-'FREE' mind you)
would ALL DO THE ..SAME.. NEGATIVE AND EVIL THING
WHY?
Is "free will" just inherently 'NEGATIVE?'
Is there something about man's will
that just ALWAYS goes the WRONG WAY,
unless and until a more POWERFUL POSITIVE FORCE
(might I suggest the Holy Spirit of God?)
influences these 'free-wills' to TURN TO GOD,
rather than to turn away from God?
But wait!
If it takes a more positive OPPOSING force
to CAUSE these free will to turn TO GOD,
rather than AWAY FROM GOD,
then have we not just SCRAPPED THE WHOLE IDEA
THAT THE WILL IS 'FREE' IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why, yes we did;
OF COURSE WE DID
There is NO FREE WILL IN MAN!!
Man has a "CARNAL MIND"
Do you doubt what I say?
ALL MEN ARE BORN WITH A CARNAL MIND!
Rom 8:2,
"For the LAW
of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus have MADE ME FREE..."
No, that is not what most Christians teach
They teach that we are BORN FREE
That EVERY MAN HAS A 'FREE' will
But notice what this Scripture says,
it takes a "LAW" to MAKE
[when something 'MAKES' a person do something,
he is no longer 'free' to do otherwise]...
to MAKE "me FREE" Paul tells us
Now then,
what does this "Law of the Spirit" MAKE us free from?
"..from the LAW if sin and death"
Another "LAW"!!
Do you realize just what a law is?
A law is something that ALWAYS works
in the same predetermined manner
Hence the Law of Gravity-
which ALWAYS pulls things DOWN and not UP
The 'law of sin and death'
is a downward pull that NO CARNAL MIND CAN RESIST
Therefore, the idea that man possesses
a free will that can CHOOSE TO NOT BE PULLED DOWN,
is unscriptural foolishness!!
For what the law could not do,
in that it was weak through the flesh
[the flesh is weak and it cannot 'free-will' itself to be anything
BUT weak and totally incapable
of TURNING TO A GOD WHO IS STRONG],
God sending His Own Son
in the likeness of sinful flesh,
and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk NOT after the [weak] flesh
[which always turns away from God]
but after the Spirit [which is STRONG and ALWAYS turns toward God]
For they that are after the flesh
[a LAW of the flesh]
do mind the things of the flesh
[why? why don't they use 'free-will' themselves
NOT to 'mind the things of the flesh?']:
but they that are after the Spirit
[the LAW of the Spirit] the things of the Spirit
For to be carnally minded
[that's how we are all born-
first the natural, the carnal,
then the afterwards the SPIRITUAL, 1Cor15:46] is DEATH;
but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and peace
[And just why is that so?]...
Because the carnal mind is enmity
[deep-seated HATRED] against God
[how can this be since the carnal mind
is FREE to NOT hate God?
The carnal mind is NOT FREE,
it CANNOT freely choose to NOT HATE GOD
That takes another LAW-
the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT]
against God: for it is not subject to the law of God,
NEITHER INDEED C-A-N BE
[This verse says that the natural carnal mind of ALL MANKIND,
absolutely CAN NOT 'freely choose' to follow and love God!]
So then they that are IN THE FLESH
[every single person ever born is born IN THE FLESH]
CANNOT please God
[They CANNOT!!
If they truly had a "free will"
then they could 'freely WILL' TO PLEASE GOD, couldn't they?]
They couldn't, because they have no such will that is "free"
We all have a "will" alright, but is is anything but FREE
It follows the "law of the flesh" every time
Only the opposing force of the SPIRIT OF GOD
can CAUSE MAN'S WILL to desire God
and to voluntarily seek to please God
Yes, I voluntarily will to please God,
but not because some phantom 'free will'
allowed me to make that choice,
but rather because "God DRAGGED ME to Christ" (John 6:44)
And how thankful I am that He did
There will not be a FEW in heaven
and the MAJORITY in hell for all eternity
God commissioned Jesus Christ
to be the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD
And yet... BILLIONS ...DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!
They teach that JESUS CHRIST WILL NOT
IN A TRILLION TRILLION EONS,
ever "save the world"-
the only commission
that His Father in Heaven gave Him to do (1John 4:14)
Are we to proclaim Christ's supreme sacrifice
and then suggest to the world...
thank you for the invite. im a marine and just got out of military jail and im getting sent home so just know this means alot to me. ive gotten alot closer to God and would like it to stay that way. thanks again...
Gud Day to you brother shawn!
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hey man, first off, thanks for the invite and for being so friendly, i love that in people. And man that would be really cool if you could help me do that, i think a lot of the kids there would love it, they are really great people. Ill talk to them about it when i go back to school, which will be on january 12. Thanks again man, and get back with me.
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The free will scholars themselves
have had to re-adjust their theory
in the light of obvious scientific
and Scriptural proof against free will
They assure us
that although man does not possess total free will,
he does, nonetheless, possess "limited free will"
That is, man’s will is limited, but within those limits,
the will is completely and totally free
Oh really?
I never cease to be amazed
at the fact that contradictions
never interfere with Christian doctrine
Believing in contradictions is absolutely necessary
if one is to accept most Christian doctrines,
and this "limited free will" is just another one of them
Let’s take a quick look
at this idiotic proposal of "limited free will"
Here is how my Twentieth Century Webster’s Dictionary
defines "limited, a. restricted" (Page 963)
And here is how this same dictionary defines
"free, a. without restriction" (Page 682)
Got it?
"Limited" means: RESTRICTED,
and "free" means: WITHOUT RESTRICTION
So scholarly theologians
would have us believe that man possesses a will
that is, "RESTRICTED WITHOUT RESTRICTION"
What?
Does anyone see a problem
with this limited free will theory?
Does the word "..contradiction" come to mind?
Jesus KNEW BEFORE HE CREATED THE WORLD
that "...mankind was going to turn away from God,"
even though according to most Christians
He gave EVERY ONE OF THOSE HUMANS
a "free-moral-agency-will" by which
NOT ONE OF THEM HAD TO, OR WERE CAUSED TO,
"turn away from God"
If they truly had a "free will,"
that is a will to make choices that are
NOT CAUSED or INFLUENCED
in any way by God Himself through the billions
of circumstances throughout one's life
(See Phil 2:3, Eph 1:11, and hundred more just like them),
why did they ..ALL.. choose to "turn away from GOD?"
That is a very very very negative thing!!
That FIFTY BILLION out of FIFTY BILLION "free wills"
('FREE' wills-'FREE' mind you)
would ALL DO THE ..SAME.. NEGATIVE AND EVIL THING
WHY?
Is "free will" just inherently 'NEGATIVE?'
Is there something about man's will
that just ALWAYS goes the WRONG WAY,
unless and until a more POWERFUL POSITIVE FORCE
(might I suggest the Holy Spirit of God?)
influences these 'free-wills' to TURN TO GOD,
rather than to turn away from God?
But wait!
If it takes a more positive OPPOSING force
to CAUSE these free will to turn TO GOD,
rather than AWAY FROM GOD,
then have we not just SCRAPPED THE WHOLE IDEA
THAT THE WILL IS 'FREE' IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Why, yes we did;
OF COURSE WE DID
There is NO FREE WILL IN MAN!!
Man has a "CARNAL MIND"
Do you doubt what I say?
ALL MEN ARE BORN WITH A CARNAL MIND!
Rom 8:2,
"For the LAW
of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus have MADE ME FREE..."
No, that is not what most Christians teach
They teach that we are BORN FREE
That EVERY MAN HAS A 'FREE' will
But notice what this Scripture says,
it takes a "LAW" to MAKE
[when something 'MAKES' a person do something,
he is no longer 'free' to do otherwise]...
to MAKE "me FREE" Paul tells us
Now then,
what does this "Law of the Spirit" MAKE us free from?
"..from the LAW if sin and death"
Another "LAW"!!
Do you realize just what a law is?
A law is something that ALWAYS works
in the same predetermined manner
Hence the Law of Gravity-
which ALWAYS pulls things DOWN and not UP
The 'law of sin and death'
is a downward pull that NO CARNAL MIND CAN RESIST
Therefore, the idea that man possesses
a free will that can CHOOSE TO NOT BE PULLED DOWN,
is unscriptural foolishness!!
For what the law could not do,
in that it was weak through the flesh
[the flesh is weak and it cannot 'free-will' itself to be anything
BUT weak and totally incapable
of TURNING TO A GOD WHO IS STRONG],
God sending His Own Son
in the likeness of sinful flesh,
and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk NOT after the [weak] flesh
[which always turns away from God]
but after the Spirit [which is STRONG and ALWAYS turns toward God]
For they that are after the flesh
[a LAW of the flesh]
do mind the things of the flesh
[why? why don't they use 'free-will' themselves
NOT to 'mind the things of the flesh?']:
but they that are after the Spirit
[the LAW of the Spirit] the things of the Spirit
For to be carnally minded
[that's how we are all born-
first the natural, the carnal,
then the afterwards the SPIRITUAL, 1Cor15:46] is DEATH;
but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and peace
[And just why is that so?]...
Because the carnal mind is enmity
[deep-seated HATRED] against God
[how can this be since the carnal mind
is FREE to NOT hate God?
The carnal mind is NOT FREE,
it CANNOT freely choose to NOT HATE GOD
That takes another LAW-
the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT]
against God: for it is not subject to the law of God,
NEITHER INDEED C-A-N BE
[This verse says that the natural carnal mind of ALL MANKIND,
absolutely CAN NOT 'freely choose' to follow and love God!]
So then they that are IN THE FLESH
[every single person ever born is born IN THE FLESH]
CANNOT please God
[They CANNOT!!
If they truly had a "free will"
then they could 'freely WILL' TO PLEASE GOD, couldn't they?]
They couldn't, because they have no such will that is "free"
We all have a "will" alright, but is is anything but FREE
It follows the "law of the flesh" every time
Only the opposing force of the SPIRIT OF GOD
can CAUSE MAN'S WILL to desire God
and to voluntarily seek to please God
Yes, I voluntarily will to please God,
but not because some phantom 'free will'
allowed me to make that choice,
but rather because "God DRAGGED ME to Christ" (John 6:44)
And how thankful I am that He did
There will not be a FEW in heaven
and the MAJORITY in hell for all eternity
God commissioned Jesus Christ
to be the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD
And yet... BILLIONS ...DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!
They teach that JESUS CHRIST WILL NOT
IN A TRILLION TRILLION EONS,
ever "save the world"-
the only commission
that His Father in Heaven gave Him to do (1John 4:14)
Are we to proclaim Christ's supreme sacrifice
and then suggest to the world...
that IT FAILED TO ACCOMPLISH ITS PURPOSE?
That Jesus will be a FAILURE in saving the world?
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